2006-03-08

Hey! Which one of you guys did this?

Well, I guess someone finally made the movie.

You may have been already linked to it, but I think it's hilarious. Not to mention a pretty decent take on the matter. Quality's a bit off, but still pretty good for a fan production. Makes use of the same Lysian-blasting clip I've been showing stills of to demonstrate what would happen to TIEs trying to strafe the E-D, with the TIEs inserted in place of the original small mobile targets.

38 comments:

  1. Eeegads!

    *finally had to use IE(SHUDDER) to view it as Firefox hates Flash for some reason*

    That rocked. Thanks for linking me, Darkstar.

    Mild review:

    Using the Enterprise-D and Picard equals an auto-win by default no matter WHAT would happen, but overall this was pretty good. Death Star appearing onscreen in the first moment already had me howling with laughter, if only because I'm extremely prone to juxtoposition humor. =/

    But as it went on, it just became funnier and funnier, again due to sheer juxtoposition. Sure, the quality wasn't fantastic, but considering it was amatuer and probably done with a video editing program like Adobe, it's on the whole great stuff. It'll piss off rabid Warsies, but what doesn't? Hell, I expect the only thing THEY'D be happy about is if the entire world bowed down to their "superior knowledge." >_>

    (Watching it again, I've pinned down several episodes at the least that have been used. Many of which I merely recognize from context and can't pin down the title of, though the mentioned firepower from Worf of both the Tie Fighters and the ISD--and the Death Star blast--were from "The Survivors." And there was the extremely obvious peice from "Generations". The hailing of Picard by name, as seen due to Shelby being in Troi's usual seat, is from "Best of Both Worlds" part one. Star Wars peices were varied bits from Episodes IV-VI. As for the rest, I can't fully pin it down. Perhaps someone else could for us. =/)

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  2. Okay I've just watched it. All in all that was a great little movie. Thanks for the link.

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  3. Just to make sure everybody knows that I'm not posing as DSG2K, it was I who posted that.

    That said, the credits confirm that it was done in Adobe.

    If any of you guys ever do something like this, please let the rest of us know!

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  4. Hey, bhmm. Anyway the vid can be available for downloading? I use dial-up (I know, it bites; it's all I can afford for now) and I wanna see it without it stopping all the time and only playing about a sec each time. Cool vid though. It was bloody brilliant. Awesome job.

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  5. I didn't have any trouble using Firefox to view it except for the sound being choppy at first but pausing and then waiting for it to download fixed that (and I do have ADSL for those who want to know).

    I must say it was pretty good, gave me quite a few laughs.

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  6. I can't say I know of any way to just d/l it and save to hard drive. Sorry, GStone.

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  7. I don't think it's possible to save to Hard Disk. Pausing it and then waiting for the whole thing to download should work although it might take awhile.

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  8. Actually, I meant if it'd be possible to upload it somewhere, so it can be downloaded, like a free web site that allows video files.

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  9. Oh, it's possible to download it. It's just a Flash animation inbedded in the page. I don't know how to do it, but surely it can't be THAT hard.

    As for a place to upload a downloaded version...eh...I might be able to put it on my website, but that depends on file size and the number of people who intend on downloading it and stuff. Sure my website is doing bull honkey right now, but that doesn't mean I can just kill all the bandwidth. =/

    But yah. If someone DOES get it, e-mail it to me at picardmpc@gmail.com, please. I'll put it up on DB.

    (Just make sure we all get the permission of the creator first. >_>)

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  10. Actually, it'd probably be most straightforward to just e-mail the creator(s) asking for (a) a file copy and (b) permission to host up the video.

    You might even be able to get something slightly better than the grainy flash edition, or in a more useful format.

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  11. Indeed. I thought of that about two seconds after I posted my previous comment. I'll get right on it.

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  12. As low quality as some of the stuff in the movie is (some of the cuts are quite bad, not too mention the use of the Startrek movie material didn't fit with the rest of the Startrek material), it is definitely quite funny.

    Nice stuff really :-)

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  13. Oh my lord... That was funny as hell! The scene that used the "Conundrums" Lysian fighter drone footage with the TIEs in the place of the drones was by far the best sequence in the whole thing. Very nicely done. If the rest of the video had been that level of quality, it'd truely rock.

    I agree with Matt, though, the Warsies are gonna shit a brick over this one. ;-)

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  14. mike dicenso said...
    I agree with Matt, though, the Warsies are gonna shit a brick over this one. ;-)

    If by "shit a brick" you mean that they're going to call it cool, fun and impressive, then yes, they've shat a brick or two. :)

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  15. Actually, if you look at the website for the creators of this little video:

    http://www.kocevski.com


    Click on the "about" links, and you'll see that this guy holds a PhD in Astrophysics. The Warsies can't whine and cry about this guy being "uneducated and against reason"... ;-)

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  16. The "WTF?!?" expression on Picard when the Emperor shows up was priceless!

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  17. It is available for download, then. I thought it would be.

    Nobody seems to have shat any bricks, although there was some whining about the equivalent energy levels assigned to SW ships.

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  18. Oh, good, I don't have to upload it then.

    And they can shut their traps about that. It was taking footage from various episodes that were describing completely different things. They weren't supposed to be accurate: merely representational. I highly doubt the Death Star beam is only 400 gigawatts, for instance.

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  19. Gee...I wonder if BHMM will own up to the fact that he saw this posted on SD.Net on March 4th, by none other than Wayne Poe...who actually liked it?

    Nah....

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  20. Of course bragging or fighting about who likes or hates who or what won't help in general, but that's Anonymous 2's (my) opinion. It reminds me too much of politics; stuff such as that'll get people nowhere.

    In any case, I liked it as well; it just seemed humerous, all the cuts and stuff, but it's pretty good.

    Sincerely,
    Another Anonymous

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  21. Gee...I wonder if BHMM will own up to the fact that he saw this posted on SD.Net on March 4th, by none other than Wayne Poe...who actually liked it?

    Nah....

    :|

    Does it matter, other than the fact that it gives Warsies a new line to personally attack a decent person?

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  22. awesome....pure unadultarated awesome.

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  23. Yeah, and I seriously doubt that TIE fighters, even under the most optimistic scalings are 29 meters long. ;-)

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  24. I wonder when BHMM will "discover" the "Kirk vs Picard" video?

    Link

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  25. I wonder when you'll stop attacking him. He's not acting like he was the first one to find it. In fact, he even says in the blog post: You may have been already linked to it

    So, methinks you need to shut your trap. Or is this just another Warsie attempt to make up for the fact that you guys don't have the evidence on your side? Oh, I'm so sorry, Mr. Rabid War Sie.

    (If you didn't get the message, which wouldn't surprise me considering the likelyhood of your low intelligence: shut up.)

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  26. Yeah, that last one was me. Stupid browser. *kicks it*

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  27. Oh yeah, Matt Carpenter..the lying jerk who said he threatened SD.Net with legal action, and that they deleted your posts. Funny you should say, "evidence on your side..."

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  28. Oh yeah, Matt Carpenter..the lying jerk who said he threatened SD.Net with legal action, and that they deleted your posts. Funny you should say, "evidence on your side..."

    Well, at least I got you after me instead of BHMM.

    As for that circumstance: as I said, with all evidence deleted, I had no reason to mention it to anyone, as not only could I not prove it, I had no real reason to. I've not been berated by anyone from SD.Net since, and consider the matter swept under the table.

    And frankly: whether you believe me or not does not matter to me. I really just don't care.

    Furthermore: let us end this cycle of personal attacks. It takes us off the real issue of the debate. But, then again, that would be the whole point.

    As for that Kirk vs. Picard video: SHAME on the person who made it. A Constitution-class starship would have no chance against a Galaxy-class. Why would Kirk have ignored the hail? Why, for that matter, would he attack a starship that is obviously a Federation ship? He had no reason to attack, and Kirk, as overbearing as he might have been, did not attack without reason. In that instance, he had none.

    ...

    YES I know it was just using footage. But that was unfair, using footage from Cause and Effect. Shame...shame...*shakes head*

    For the record: judging by the bit in Generations, I suspect Picard and Kirk would be friends, if not good friends. They got along quite well. =/

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  29. Matt "DanielJacksonMPC" Carpenter now has a forum website:

    http://www.digital-breakdown.com/

    (follow the link in his name)


    There is a new small vs. Forum, albeit without the old Database.

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  30. Yes...I didn't want to call attention to it till Darkstar approved of the place. I sent him a message via his feedback form about it--and as I said in the message, I set it up in advance in order to aid him in making his decision. I don't know if I'll keep it around if he chooses to not go through with the new experiment.

    (It's also possible that he may not have even recieved my message for whatever reason, which would explain his lack of an answer as of yet.)

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  31. In the Kirk vs. Picard one it's clear that Kirk checked and for all he knew this was NOT a Federation vessel. It wasn't supposed to be there, was big and armed, so it was considered an enemy. Made sense to me. The Galaxy class was a little flaky anyway, and the anti-military nature of the Federation at the time of early TNG meant they were taken by surprise. Plus TOS rules. ;)

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  32. My two cents on Kirk vs. Picard video,

    The Enterprise-D was similar in federation hull design of primary saucer hull and secondary hull with main engines at the rear. Also, shooting first and asking questions later is a bad way to make first contact no matter if it was first contact with 24th Century Starfleet or a new alien species. Add to that, Kirk's ship would've gotten as much a pasting as the Tholians and NX-09 Avenger did when pitted against the U.S.S. Defiant in "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II" [ENT] simply because of the superior technology a future starship would've had. Going backwards in tech would've been highly illogical a movement for Starfleet.

    If you want a more-readily metaphor in "pasting" the enemy with superior tech, how about that ST vs. SW fanfilm we've all seen? Laying waste to TIEs and a Super Star Destroyer by taking its huge bridge module out. As to if it would actually happen in a true ST vs. SW fight, I'll leave that for ST vs. SW debaters here.

    And if Kirk and crew had paraded around shooting first and asking questions later as if it was Starfleet norm, then I would've loved to see the revamped TOS episode of "Court Martial" [TOS] when Kirk and crew gets tried for imperialistic actions one might see the Galactic Empire in Star Wars do.

    Anyhow, that's my opinion. Agree or disagree with it as you like.

    Sincerely,
    Another Anonymous

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  33. In the TOS era they weren't so concerned with being explorers as defending their territory. Remember their cold war with the Klingons and their antagonisms with the Romulans? The Federation is much more militaristic and "shoot from the hip" in Kirk's day. Plus the Enterprise in TOS isn't constantly being subject to warp core breaches and people taking over the ship's computer or the holodeck trying to kill everyone (since there is no holodeck yet). Federation tech hasn't changed that much between the two shows, so even if the E-D is more powerful, it's still possible for them to lose. Their main advantage in that scenario again is the element of surprise. For all they knew this was a hostile enemy ship where it wasn't supposed to be, a threat that needed to be eliminated. They got the clearance from Starfleet to use their judgement so they struck. It only seems "unrealistic" because we're so used to Picard's crew being the good guys who get out of every situation.

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  34. It only seems "unrealistic" because we're so used to Picard's crew being the good guys who get out of every situation.

    No, it only seems "unrealistic" because attacking a vessel thats a dead ringer for one of your own and hasn't made any offensive moves yet isn't what James Kirk does. Attacking something that acts as a threat, yes.

    And that doesn't count the sillyness of the other Enterprise being shot down without as much as a token effort for defense or that in the actuall series/movies Starfleet vessels have no trouble identifying other Starfleet vessels even if they are older or newer.

    Or that James Kirk, while somewhat of a cowboy, just doesn't actually go shooting without a reason. A powerfull ship hanging in front of you? Par for the course in TOS without any shooting going on.

    Heck, even when he meets people (like say, the Romulans) he know of that they killed Federation citizens he still agonizes over having to kill them.

    So while it might be fun, it sure as hell ain't "realistic"!

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  35. My guess as to why Anonymous took his position is mainly because of his taste; His problem with the starship design of a Galaxy-class starship. Although I'd disagree with him; I'm sure he thinks it's ugly and must go and, therefore, tries justifying imperialist tactics and for a military organization that doesn't do that, and add to that overestimation of a Constitution-class Starship against a Galaxy-class Starship.

    Sure, the Enterprise-D is a big and a potential threat. But that's no reason to attack the Enterprise-D before trying to make contact. Add to that, can you read?! Riker sure can, despite the the incorrect registry (according to Michael Okuda) in "Where Silence Has Lease" [TNGs2e2] (Season 2 Episode 2). Can't Kirk and crew look at the view screen and read "NCC-1701-D" on that ship's hull? Are they blind as to the configuaration being a Starfleet ship design? That's the biggest flaw as to the other Anonymous's argument. It justifies unreasonable imperialism.

    Now, stop me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see Earth with a dagger through it as a marking on the turbolift doors and more revealing uniforms for females and weapons for all worn at all times. Now, if it were there, then Anonymous would have some valid argument. But seeing as how it's not the Terran Empire, I'm pretty sure the next episode of Trek, again, would feature Kirk and crew on trial for attacking what seemed pretty clearly to be a future Starfleet vessel, if not from hull design than from markings. Just because it's big and powerful doesn't mean it qualifies as a threat. You didn't see the Bozeman open firing after nearly colliding the Enterprise-D, did you?

    I don't think there's any valid way of defending it unless you come from a Star Wars Galactic Empire point of view and think imperialist invasion and attacking any ship in sight is acceptable.

    Sincerely,
    Another Anonymous

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  36. I kind of have to weigh in Roondar, and AA on this. At first the Kirk vs Picard video is fun and silly, but then it gets a little too overboard, and loses any sense of fun that the ST vs SW video has with it being so blatently lopp-sided, not to mention Kirk acting so out of character that even as a parody showing Kirk's "cowboy" nature in the extreme is no longer amusing halfway through, if even that long.

    At least the ST vs SW video had some sense of balance with regards to the two sides of the conflict, and everyone stays in character for the most part.

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  37. Agreed. And that sense of balance is liable to be missing in subsequent videos made by the VS community.

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  38. Yeah, I'am still a bit suprised that some of the Rabid Warsie camp aren't demanding Dr. Kocevski's head on a platter over that video. There may yet be hope for them...

    That being said, his video, while it shows a star destroyer being soundly defeated by the E-D, it's still a tough fight, and in the end the E-D is forced to flee the scene by the Death Star superlaser.

    Pretty well balanced, really.
    -Mike

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